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of the environments -- i don't know if there is something about the vice presidential debate setting in general but it seems like the older more established seasoned pro gets the bet er of the other one. dick cheney over edwards, and lloyd benson over dan quayle. something about the vice presidential debate is a little better for the older guy. and i thought biden clearly had home court advantage. he was in command. had facts and stories. you want to talk about reagan and tip o'neill, i was there. >> bill: yeah, and he said martha, look i wanted to straighten you out too. i was in the oval office with the joint chiefs when they said this is what they wanted. i was there with the joint chiefs when they said that. >> absolutely. i this -- there were a couple of women i talked to last night who thought he was maybe a little rough with her at that moment. but he was commanded and authoritative, and it's hard to come back from that. if i don't know want to disagree with them, disagree with the joint chiefs of staff. >> bill: and as he said on more than one occasion facts matter. >>
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